![]() ![]() Section 9: Military Weapons Subject: M1 Carbine Effectiveness Msg# 1218767
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I thought the article fell short. I've read many other personal accounts of its use other than the few included here, and I am convinced the Carbine was a short range weapon that was very much misused everywhere during WWII and Korea. I think the article underreported this reality. I do think the Carbine was an okay weapon at extremely short range, but you can't put a rifle stock on a weapon, and later even adjustable sights, and expect users to think of it as a more handy version of their "more difficult-to-shoot" pistol. Of course, you are going to see riflemen using it in lieu of a real rifle simply because it is light and easy to carry. This should have been strongly discouraged and officially disapproved of. And actually issuing the Carbine to paratroopers--soldiers whose business it was to drop in behind enemy lines (think D-Day) was just imbecilic. It no doubt spread the concept that here was a weapon suitable for riflemen to carry.
Modern gun people say "Yeah, it fires a 'pistol round' of sorts but it was doing 1900fps. It was as powerful as a .357 Magnum!" I'm sorry, but velocity is not everything--it was still a full metal jacket .31 caliber, which we know is not much of a manstopper in most forms. A .357 Magnum is a different round entirely--.36 caliber, and in man-stopping form fires a bullet with an exposed lead nose, usually pre-stressed to separate upon striking its target and expand. Even so, would you try to kill a bad guy with one at ranges much beyond 50 yards? Not without a lot of practice. Which leads to the next bit of praise for the Carbine--it's a lot easier to hit with than a 1911 pistol. Okay, but at what ranges are you expecting gun crews, etc., to fight the enemy? I call this a failing within the U.S. military. Train the troops to use the pistol! Quit resorting to the lowest common denominator! I've read many stories outlining the reality that the pistol became a badge of office, which was never the intent. Okay, "badge of office" isn't the correct term. How about this? Especially for troops expecting close quarters combat--this was a common concern on the Pacific--everyone simply wanted a pistol. If a 'Nip' jumped into your foxhole in the middle of the night, your survival odds were much better if you went to sleep with a pistol in your hand. A Carbine didn't offer the same sense of extreme close quarters security. Ultimately this story reads like one written by someone who had never researched this topic before and had decided to take the first things he found and publish it. Sorry, but a few decades of reading about this topic gives me a different viewpoint. |
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For reference, the above message is a reply to a message where: Here is one of the most comprehensive articles I've seen on the M1 carbine covering its use and relative effectiveness from WWII through Vietnam. I'm a fan of them and should have bought one back when I could have afforded it... |