![]() ![]() Section 8: Handguns Subject: Canik C-100 Msg# 851735
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Good message. The IMI connection also allowed Magnum Research to market the "Baby Eagles"a few years ago.
I don't know if it's urban legend or the truth, but I recall hearing that some GIs stationed in Germany were able to buy real CZ-75s in the local PXs before they were ever imported into the US. Then those GIs brought them back to the States when they rotated home. Harvey |
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For reference, the above message is a reply to a message where: There may be no interest in this topic but I thought I'd add a little more to this thread anyway. The Canik and the Sarsilmaz are just two more versions of CZ clones that have been pretty popular in the US. Number one of course have been the Italian Tanfoglio clones, the FIE TZ 75, and then after FIE went bankrupt, the re-established EAA Witness, slightly tweaked but essentially the same pistols. these shores have also seen the Jericho 941, a Tanfoglio-IMI partnership, and the short-lived Springfield Armory P9. then there was the Swiss-made Sphinx, your high-end CZ 75 clone. There've also been "CZ 75s" made in the UK and other places, I'm sure some of which I'm not aware. Point is, the CZ 75 is undoubtedly one of the most-copied pistols in existence. The Colt Single-action Army is probably a distant fourth here. the top three are easily the M1911, the Browning P35, and the CZ 75. And since the CZ 75 has been in existence much less time that is pretty impressive. The reason is because the CZ 75 was designed behind the Iron Curtain, and was simply unavailable in the USA. The story goes that Jeff Cooper, the top gun guru at the time, had managed to get his hands on one somehow, and while he didn't care for the caliber, he thought the pistol was great in other ways, especially because--although being a DA--it could be carried cocked and locked. In those days no other DA auto had that option. Suddenly people wanted the CZ 75, and they couldn't get them. Some managed to come in via Canada, I'm not sure how, and the word is that a few were somehow legally imported, but in general the CZ 75 was pistola non grata. After the fall of the Soviet Union and the establishment of democracy in The Czech Republik, the CZ 75 began to trickle in (no CZ-USA early on). This big void, both before and after the fall of communism, was filled with CZ clones. Interestingly enough, they are still hugely popular. Today, no one even thinks in terms of "clone" with a 1911, but if it isn't a Colt it is technically a clone, as Colt invented the pistol. We don't even call them Colt clones, we call them 1911s now, after the military model. The Hi-Powers are still called Hi-Powers (or High Powers), though they've been made in many different places. Most of the CZ 75 clones have had different names. I thought there would be some resistance to the Turkish models, but if you look at a dedicated CZ forum you'll find they a very popular. I suppose it isn't too surprising as the Turkish 1911 models have been selling well for a few years now. Regent, etc. And Turkish shotguns are also abundant on the US market. Some of us older guys might be a little resistant to Turkish arms but the more I look the more I think they are well-made and worth considering, not second rate guns at all. I remember when the Italians first started making clone guns. They were awful. Today you can pay two grand for some of the better Italian clones of 19th Century firearms. And they are probably worth it. Anyway, enough of that. I'm not really a big CZ 75 guy, but they do have one more reason why they are so popular; it's not just their selective DA/SA carry options. Between them, the Hi-Power and the CZ 75 are widely known as having perhaps the most comfortable double-stack grip frames going. For my money, the CZ feels better in the hand, at least until you add custom stocks to the Hi-Power. Try one. |